Well today is the day. I collect coins so I'll pick up the 50p. It's history, regardless of what side you are on. 

I'm looking forward to the day it isn't mentioned, the whole thing could have been handled better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. Surprised to see a thread I started a few years back still rumbling on!

Glad to see @Piethagoram is still carrying the flame!

As I’m a little short of time (and not convinced sorting through 35 pages of comments is a good idea!) where are we with the now semi closed Brexit debate?

 

@hissingdwarfwelcome back at this thread heads towards 48k views.... and we now in the transition period....

Pity your efforts in Ashfield yielded the wrong result...

If you mean Brexit as a result, there is no result. Unfortunately we are where we are...

No good me banging on about the fact that my children will not get the same opportunities as me due to the Tories!

26 minutes ago, hissingdwarf said:

If you mean Brexit as a result, there is no result. Unfortunately we are where we are...

No good me banging on about the fact that my children will not get the same opportunities as me due to the Tories!

And if you meant my local result, cheers. I gave it a good crack. As did all the team. Unfortunately we all got slaughtered by the Indys.

 

original answer was due to the fact couldn’t remember the conversation as such. Had so many Blooby Brexit ones in the past few years. Certainly knackered my local result as it was purely a Brexit protest vote. I was on a safe seat until the HoC started kicking it back each time, then boom. My polls went the same way as the rest of the locals! Kinda glad really. Would have been crap being the sole voice for the district!

Edited February 8, 20205 yr by hissingdwarf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

 

Yes @hissingdwarfI was referring to the GE in particular. One wonders how Ashfield deserve the current MP...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/09/brexit-crisis-not-opportunity-see-that-too-late

 

 

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

 

Yes @hissingdwarfI was referring to the GE in particular. One wonders how Ashfield deserve the current MP...

 

Ashfield totally deserves Lee Anderson as MP.

I make no bones about it, I’m a left winger. I also saw close up and personal how Gloria De Piero ran the Ashfield CLP as her personal rebellion against Corbyn. She is to blame for the loss. Let’s remember Anderson was GDPs office manager. Went to the Tories and won. GDPs chief case worker also defected to the Independents around here.

She refuses to shoulder any blame for the defeat and even had the gall to control the selection of PPC. Funnily enough..,her best mate was chosen. Regardless of the fact she is bone idle and refuses to do the ground work. In fact the candidates own campaign manager resigned due to the fact Fleet (Candidate) refused to do anything apart from quick selfies a la Gloria.

 

Voters wise, this was a massive Brexit Protest vote. Labour voters voting Tory, as like the rest of the country, will now reap what the sow. Unfortunately.

@hissingdwarf I hear what you say, but Corbyn's half hearted (even if you call it that) campaign for remain, is one of the reasons we are where we are. Corbyn's refusal to back manufacturing to say what a no deal brexit will mean for jobs, or even to look after the people on the breadline where food costs will increase, really upsets me.

In the end, the GE was a presidential contest...electorate had no faith in Corbyn ( who was seen as Len McCluskey's puppet). The fact we had a choice between 2 idiots... Left wing policies too far to the Left, scared people too

 

18 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

@hissingdwarf I hear what you say, but Corbyn's half hearted (even if you call it that) campaign for remain, is one of the reasons we are where we are. Corbyn's refusal to back manufacturing to say what a no deal brexit will mean for jobs, or even to look after the people on the breadline where food costs will increase, really upsets me.

In the end, the GE was a presidential contest...electorate had no faith in Corbyn ( who was seen as Len McCluskey's puppet). The fact we had a choice between 2 idiots... Left wing policies too far to the Left, scared people too

 

Agree with the Brexit comment. Corbyn could never quite square the circle that a lot of Labour members were remain and he was Leave.

 

Not sure about the left wing policies comment though. Some of the points in the manifesto were superb. Others not so much and overall, no clear line of communication for them. Too much in a short space of time. No tag line as in "Get Brexit Done."

However disrespectful it may seem, that tag line played to the lowest common denominator and it worked.

Labour HQ needs a total overhaul. As does the regional bodies in charge of Labour. The Front bench needs starting again. 

None of the leaders tick all my boxes and the recent bowing down to the Jewish Board of Deputies has had me at the point of leaving. Sometimes the Labour party is far too nice.

And while it's playing its stupid internal games, the electorate are left stranded and worse off when they are the ones we should be defending.

@hissingdwarfThe continual problem is that , like it or not, UK is deeply conservative ( by UK, I mean England now).. In terms of Labour going on about nationalisation, they should have been more clever by perhaps proposing new legal frameworks for the utilities, rail having to operate in, with legal safeguards for the poorest in this country. Avoids costs of nationalisation but gives a firmer set of rules that these companies have to abide by.

Disagree with the comment on the Jewish Board of Deputies.. Labour dug their own grave by not accepting the international definition of antisemitism. If it is accepted internationally, why did labour want to draw up their own version??? so stupid.

I've registered as a registered supporter to have a vote... I will not be voting for R Wrong Bailey????

 

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

@hissingdwarfThe continual problem is that , like it or not, UK is deeply conservative ( by UK, I mean England now).. In terms of Labour going on about nationalisation, they should have been more clever by perhaps proposing new legal frameworks for the utilities, rail having to operate in, with legal safeguards for the poorest in this country. Avoids costs of nationalisation but gives a firmer set of rules that these companies have to abide by.

Disagree with the comment on the Jewish Board of Deputies.. Labour dug their own grave by not accepting the international definition of antisemitism. If it is accepted internationally, why did labour want to draw up their own version??? so stupid.

I've registered as a registered supporter to have a vote... I will not be voting for R Wrong Bailey????

I’m unlikely to vote in the leadership contest, as I said, none of them really stand out. The obvious choice for a leftie is Becky Long Bailey, but I’m still to be convinced. Starmer or Nandy, imo, would have us back to closet Tories in one swipe. Not for me, but others feel differently.

you should have become a member. Cheaper to do that for a couple of months and then cancel if you so wish. The registered supporters thing is a money making scam imo.

I take solace on a day like today that socialism isn’t finished.

Anyone that knows me, realises that Ireland is where the heart lies and today we have witnessed the end of the two party system there. Amazing result for Sinn Fein. All on a socialist manifesto.

18 hours ago, hissingdwarf said:

I’m unlikely to vote in the leadership contest, as I said, none of them really stand out. The obvious choice for a leftie is Becky Long Bailey, but I’m still to be convinced. Starmer or Nandy, imo, would have us back to closet Tories in one swipe. Not for me, but others feel differently.

you should have become a member. Cheaper to do that for a couple of months and then cancel if you so wish. The registered supporters thing is a money making scam imo.

I take solace on a day like today that socialism isn’t finished.

Anyone that knows me, realises that Ireland is where the heart lies and today we have witnessed the end of the two party system there. Amazing result for Sinn Fein. All on a socialist manifesto.

@hissingdwarf I respect your point of view but in my lifetime, Labour cannot win from the left. Becky Long Bailey is Corbynism Mark II, so will not engage the British electorate.  My first choice would have been Jess Philips, but we really need a forensic eye for detail which only Keir can provide.

As regards Socialism, I witnessed that in East Germany before the wall came down...not the answer but my angle would be to follow Sweden's social democratic model, which is where the SNP have gone

@Piethagoram I honestly don’t think any of the leaders would genuinely engage the British public in Labour politics at the moment.

Again, I’ll use the Sinn Fein example. No infighting. Anyone that even considered stepping out of line and doing some of the stuff various Labour MPs have done over the past four years, immediately removed and disregarded by all. 
Corbyn was far too nice of a person to deal with the petulant PLP.

Tackle the issues that people see as the most important and hammer them home. Offer a solution not just floating cash figure promises.

Labour will probably in opposition for a generation now, or until Johnson stuffs up. Opposition parties don’t win elections. Governing parties lose them.